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	<title>Comments on: Different Ethnic Enclave, Same Creeping Wahhabism</title>
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		<title>By: Simple Muslim</title>
		<link>http://www.bingregory.com/archives/2002/11/27-different-ethnic-enclave-same-creeping-wahhabism/comment-page-1/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Simple Muslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalamu Alaikum Brother,

Just a simple comment from my experience in my country, the so-called Secular Muslims or “Moderate” used to term all those Muslim organization that were active in political and social process for change towards Islam as “Wahabi”. But in reality these organizations are just like any other “traditionalist” Islamic organization. Only difference is that they have the courage to challenge these rulers of what they are doing.

Now, as times have past those “Wahabi” organizations are more popular in many Islamic countries but previous dishonesty and oppression of “secularists” has given rise to more extreme groups. You can term “Wahabi” or “Salafi” whatever, but they do have points. Although I do not agree with their method of action, but I have some brotherly suggestion for you, it is ok if you criticize other Muslims but please do that after being sure from Islamic sources. Believe me, I have seen many lies and suffering of others with the term “Wahabi”.  

My first language is not English, so please excuse me.

Your Brother in Faith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalamu Alaikum Brother,</p>
<p>Just a simple comment from my experience in my country, the so-called Secular Muslims or “Moderate” used to term all those Muslim organization that were active in political and social process for change towards Islam as “Wahabi”. But in reality these organizations are just like any other “traditionalist” Islamic organization. Only difference is that they have the courage to challenge these rulers of what they are doing.</p>
<p>Now, as times have past those “Wahabi” organizations are more popular in many Islamic countries but previous dishonesty and oppression of “secularists” has given rise to more extreme groups. You can term “Wahabi” or “Salafi” whatever, but they do have points. Although I do not agree with their method of action, but I have some brotherly suggestion for you, it is ok if you criticize other Muslims but please do that after being sure from Islamic sources. Believe me, I have seen many lies and suffering of others with the term “Wahabi”.  </p>
<p>My first language is not English, so please excuse me.</p>
<p>Your Brother in Faith</p>
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		<title>By: Bin Gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bin Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that&#039;s a good point, Simple Muslim.  What country are you from?  What you said made Algeria spring to mind, where the refusal to allow a legitimately elected Islamic party to take power led to awful violence for years.  Turkey also is maybe an example of where some islamic political parties simply want to move the government in a more &quot;observant&quot; direction.  I think it is useful to speak about specifics, though.  I love the concept of a traditionalist islamic political party.  But I have generally found that the more I find about the details of particular parties, the less I care for them.  Perhaps this is because &quot;Certainly Islam cannot be reduced to an utopia for the perfect society in this world - dunya, which is a support (was.îlah) for the Hereafter al-âkhira and Islam is neither limited to the domain of faith - imân, nor to its domain of law - sharî`ah&quot; -- Found here, which I&#039;ll be blogging about shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that&#8217;s a good point, Simple Muslim.  What country are you from?  What you said made Algeria spring to mind, where the refusal to allow a legitimately elected Islamic party to take power led to awful violence for years.  Turkey also is maybe an example of where some islamic political parties simply want to move the government in a more &#8220;observant&#8221; direction.  I think it is useful to speak about specifics, though.  I love the concept of a traditionalist islamic political party.  But I have generally found that the more I find about the details of particular parties, the less I care for them.  Perhaps this is because &#8220;Certainly Islam cannot be reduced to an utopia for the perfect society in this world &#8211; dunya, which is a support (was.îlah) for the Hereafter al-âkhira and Islam is neither limited to the domain of faith &#8211; imân, nor to its domain of law &#8211; sharî`ah&#8221; &#8212; Found here, which I&#8217;ll be blogging about shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: Simple Muslim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simple Muslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a good link. Thank you for sharing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a good link. Thank you for sharing it.</p>
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		<title>By: nnydd</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalamualaikum,
I can understand the difficulties faced by others not actively involved in a Muslims political force to understand the exact nature of the political parties. I can also understand why many Muslims in a non-Muslim country usually reject involvement in politics as they could not see real and immediate benefits in doing so.

While it is true that many political parties through out the Muslim world have some element of Wahhabism in their ideologies and educational syllabus, many of these parties are also strongly traditionalists. This is very true where I come from. 

The Parti Islam Se-Malaysia (PAS), the mainstream Islamic party of Malaysia has its history and struggle supported in earnest from the traditionalists that once cause a secular leader proclaimed those coming from the zawiyas and madrassa as &#039;troubles from the mountains&#039;. At least one state commisioner of the party is a khalifah of a tariqa. The spiritual leader, Syeikh Nik Abdul Aziz, currently the Chief Minister of a PAS-governed state, has had tasawwuf education and well-known with his traditional circle teaching the Ash&#039;arite theology, and al-Ghazali&#039;s Mau&#039;izatul Mukminin, among others.

In recent years, the party has gained majority support from the Malay-Muslim population causing the secular-Malay government to woo support from non-Malays, and try to de-establish the traditional madrassa. In Ramadhan, tazkirah (short religious khutba) in between the tarawikh prayers which has become a norm since being popularised by Syeikh Nik Abdul Aziz, has been banned by the government. Astaghfirullah!

In Indonesia the two main Islamic political party is the Nahdatul Ulama and the Muhammadiyyah. The first is definitely traditionalist, supported by syuyukh and traditional ulama from all-over Indonesia, whereas the Muhammadiyah is strongly Wahabbi though there are traditionalist in their ranks too.

In my humble opinion, the traditionalists if truly afraid of Wahabbi-based party, should come forward and involve actively in the islamic political movement. As have been experienced in malaysia, the lack of vigorous involvement from among the traditionalist ulama has caused several important post falls on the Wahabbi people, threatening the once-traditionalist party into a Wahabbi-inclined party.

On Algeria: 
There is no one who can prove that FIS is involved in the violence erupted after the election. many sources citing FIS involvement has come from the Western and government oriented media. There has been many reports showing the involvement of French army in the mass killing, not FIS.

The creaton of a islamic country is not a misguided dream. The first islamic state was borne out in the desrt of Arabia by the beloved prophet s.a.w. It is our love to his sunnah and our abiding to Allah&#039;s law that make us strive hard to explain and enlighten the society.

Wallahu ta&#039;ala a&#039;lam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalamualaikum,<br />
I can understand the difficulties faced by others not actively involved in a Muslims political force to understand the exact nature of the political parties. I can also understand why many Muslims in a non-Muslim country usually reject involvement in politics as they could not see real and immediate benefits in doing so.</p>
<p>While it is true that many political parties through out the Muslim world have some element of Wahhabism in their ideologies and educational syllabus, many of these parties are also strongly traditionalists. This is very true where I come from. </p>
<p>The Parti Islam Se-Malaysia (PAS), the mainstream Islamic party of Malaysia has its history and struggle supported in earnest from the traditionalists that once cause a secular leader proclaimed those coming from the zawiyas and madrassa as &#8216;troubles from the mountains&#8217;. At least one state commisioner of the party is a khalifah of a tariqa. The spiritual leader, Syeikh Nik Abdul Aziz, currently the Chief Minister of a PAS-governed state, has had tasawwuf education and well-known with his traditional circle teaching the Ash&#8217;arite theology, and al-Ghazali&#8217;s Mau&#8217;izatul Mukminin, among others.</p>
<p>In recent years, the party has gained majority support from the Malay-Muslim population causing the secular-Malay government to woo support from non-Malays, and try to de-establish the traditional madrassa. In Ramadhan, tazkirah (short religious khutba) in between the tarawikh prayers which has become a norm since being popularised by Syeikh Nik Abdul Aziz, has been banned by the government. Astaghfirullah!</p>
<p>In Indonesia the two main Islamic political party is the Nahdatul Ulama and the Muhammadiyyah. The first is definitely traditionalist, supported by syuyukh and traditional ulama from all-over Indonesia, whereas the Muhammadiyah is strongly Wahabbi though there are traditionalist in their ranks too.</p>
<p>In my humble opinion, the traditionalists if truly afraid of Wahabbi-based party, should come forward and involve actively in the islamic political movement. As have been experienced in malaysia, the lack of vigorous involvement from among the traditionalist ulama has caused several important post falls on the Wahabbi people, threatening the once-traditionalist party into a Wahabbi-inclined party.</p>
<p>On Algeria:<br />
There is no one who can prove that FIS is involved in the violence erupted after the election. many sources citing FIS involvement has come from the Western and government oriented media. There has been many reports showing the involvement of French army in the mass killing, not FIS.</p>
<p>The creaton of a islamic country is not a misguided dream. The first islamic state was borne out in the desrt of Arabia by the beloved prophet s.a.w. It is our love to his sunnah and our abiding to Allah&#8217;s law that make us strive hard to explain and enlighten the society.</p>
<p>Wallahu ta&#8217;ala a&#8217;lam.</p>
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		<title>By: Simple Muslim</title>
		<link>http://www.bingregory.com/archives/2002/11/27-different-ethnic-enclave-same-creeping-wahhabism/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Simple Muslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaam,

Good post brother nnydd.

Thanks,
A simple muslim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaam,</p>
<p>Good post brother nnydd.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
A simple muslim</p>
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