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	<title>Comments on: Naming conventions pt. 2</title>
	<link>http://www.bingregory.com/archives/2004/10/31-naming-conventions-pt-2/</link>
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		<title>by: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.bingregory.com/archives/2004/10/31-naming-conventions-pt-2/#comment-618</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's funny how people here think it's necessary to drop the last name and take Bin Abdullah. Not only am I still a MacVay, my kids will be MacVays, inshallah. And their kids, etc. I've blogged about this before, and it continues to be both frustrating and fascinating to me: http://macvaysia.blogspot.com/2004/06/jordan-f-macvay-by-any-other-name.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny how people here think it&#8217;s necessary to drop the last name and take Bin Abdullah. Not only am I still a MacVay, my kids will be MacVays, inshallah. And their kids, etc. I&#8217;ve blogged about this before, and it continues to be both frustrating and fascinating to me: <a href='http://macvaysia.blogspot.com/2004/06/jordan-f-macvay-by-any-other-name.html' rel='nofollow'>http://macvaysia.blogspot.com/2004/06/jordan-f-macvay-by-any-other-name.html</a>
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		<title>by: Bin Gregory</title>
		<link>http://www.bingregory.com/archives/2004/10/31-naming-conventions-pt-2/#comment-619</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yeah, I can understand wanting your family name to persist.  I thought about it a lot before making my decision.  There's something grand about passing it on, especially in a foreign land where it really would stand out.  

For me, I had been using my muslim first name for years without legally changing it.  When I was about to get married, I realized I'd better change it officially now if I was ever going to.  While I was at it, I thought why not do away with the family name while I was at it.  It's a typical polish nameski that noone outside the family could pronounce right. My dad used to tell people it meant &quot;Strong Bow&quot; with a straight face but our family has confirmed with Polish natives that it has absolutely no meaning.  Half our extended family had already dropped it, anglicizing it to Kaye.  And if a polish last name was a hassle in the US, just imagine my poor son in Malaysia, Muhammad Ridhwan Kruszewski bin Anonymous Kruszewski.  I thought about assuming a simpler family name, but it seemed pointless at best or affected at worst.   In the end, I went with my father's first name, non-hereditary: the Bin system.  I'm happy with the decision in the end.  The Bin system makes our existence seem even more fleeting here on this earth.  Ridhwan has learned all the first names back to my great-grandfather.  We ask his name and when he replies, say &quot;bin?&quot;, &quot;bin?&quot;, &quot;bin&quot; till he runs out of names.  I don't know if he would have learned that if I didn't use this system.  I feel like my progeny will remember my name as long as my memory means something to them, and when that's gone, their duas for their ancestors will reach just as effectively as duas for all the Kruszewskis gone by, insha'allah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I can understand wanting your family name to persist.  I thought about it a lot before making my decision.  There&#8217;s something grand about passing it on, especially in a foreign land where it really would stand out.  </p>
<p>For me, I had been using my muslim first name for years without legally changing it.  When I was about to get married, I realized I&#8217;d better change it officially now if I was ever going to.  While I was at it, I thought why not do away with the family name while I was at it.  It&#8217;s a typical polish nameski that noone outside the family could pronounce right. My dad used to tell people it meant &#8220;Strong Bow&#8221; with a straight face but our family has confirmed with Polish natives that it has absolutely no meaning.  Half our extended family had already dropped it, anglicizing it to Kaye.  And if a polish last name was a hassle in the US, just imagine my poor son in Malaysia, Muhammad Ridhwan Kruszewski bin Anonymous Kruszewski.  I thought about assuming a simpler family name, but it seemed pointless at best or affected at worst.   In the end, I went with my father&#8217;s first name, non-hereditary: the Bin system.  I&#8217;m happy with the decision in the end.  The Bin system makes our existence seem even more fleeting here on this earth.  Ridhwan has learned all the first names back to my great-grandfather.  We ask his name and when he replies, say &#8220;bin?&#8221;, &#8220;bin?&#8221;, &#8220;bin&#8221; till he runs out of names.  I don&#8217;t know if he would have learned that if I didn&#8217;t use this system.  I feel like my progeny will remember my name as long as my memory means something to them, and when that&#8217;s gone, their duas for their ancestors will reach just as effectively as duas for all the Kruszewskis gone by, insha&#8217;allah.
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		<title>by: hedna</title>
		<link>http://www.bingregory.com/archives/2004/10/31-naming-conventions-pt-2/#comment-620</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>GOOD MONRNING MR. CAN YOU HELP ME PLEASE HOW IS THE AFFIDAVIT FORM OF MALAYSIA.IF POSSIBLE YOU CAN SEND IT TO ME BY MY EMAIL OF COURSE IF YOU WANT SIR. THANK YOU MONSIEUR.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOOD MONRNING MR. CAN YOU HELP ME PLEASE HOW IS THE AFFIDAVIT FORM OF MALAYSIA.IF POSSIBLE YOU CAN SEND IT TO ME BY MY EMAIL OF COURSE IF YOU WANT SIR. THANK YOU MONSIEUR.
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