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		<title>By: Bin Gregory Productions &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Good News for Half-Castes</title>
		<link>http://www.bingregory.com/archives/2009/05/19-oh-man-white-muslims-again/comment-page-1/#comment-61195</link>
		<dc:creator>Bin Gregory Productions &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Good News for Half-Castes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] call me Orang Putih over here, and I&#8217;m white back home (let&#8217;s not get into that again), but Lo! There is no Putih option. I didn&#8217;t even ask about Jewish. I tried to put American, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] call me Orang Putih over here, and I&#8217;m white back home (let&#8217;s not get into that again), but Lo! There is no Putih option. I didn&#8217;t even ask about Jewish. I tried to put American, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bin Gregory</title>
		<link>http://www.bingregory.com/archives/2009/05/19-oh-man-white-muslims-again/comment-page-1/#comment-56156</link>
		<dc:creator>Bin Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 09:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Malaysians can enjoy the same headaches by asking themselves the following questions:
1. Do you still consider Lina Joy a Malaysian?
2. Do you still consider Lina Joy a Malay?
2. Do you still consider Lina Joy a Muslim!
Extra credit for imagining what answer Lina Joy might give.  (If you also imagine that Tamils and Chinese are mostly Christian and the Malays had kept the Chinese as slaves for 400 years, you start to see what us white muslims are dealing with.)

I don&#039;t really know if Lina Joy is a hard core Chrisitan - you know, trinitarian, Jesus as son of God etc - or whether she just wanted to be able to have a beer and hit the club without being harrassed.  Imagine it&#039;s the former for sake of discussion.  

So does Lina Joy still benefit from being Malay in Malaysia, despite her Christianity?  If Lina Joy walks down the street with a big cross around her neck, would she be treated the same way an ethnic Tamil Malaysian wearing a cross would be?  Does she practice her faith any better for having consciously chosen Christianity than American Christians?  Does her upbringing as a malay muslim affect the way she understands Christianity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Malaysians can enjoy the same headaches by asking themselves the following questions:<br />
1. Do you still consider Lina Joy a Malaysian?<br />
2. Do you still consider Lina Joy a Malay?<br />
2. Do you still consider Lina Joy a Muslim!<br />
Extra credit for imagining what answer Lina Joy might give.  (If you also imagine that Tamils and Chinese are mostly Christian and the Malays had kept the Chinese as slaves for 400 years, you start to see what us white muslims are dealing with.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really know if Lina Joy is a hard core Chrisitan &#8211; you know, trinitarian, Jesus as son of God etc &#8211; or whether she just wanted to be able to have a beer and hit the club without being harrassed.  Imagine it&#8217;s the former for sake of discussion.  </p>
<p>So does Lina Joy still benefit from being Malay in Malaysia, despite her Christianity?  If Lina Joy walks down the street with a big cross around her neck, would she be treated the same way an ethnic Tamil Malaysian wearing a cross would be?  Does she practice her faith any better for having consciously chosen Christianity than American Christians?  Does her upbringing as a malay muslim affect the way she understands Christianity?</p>
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		<title>By: Bin Gregory</title>
		<link>http://www.bingregory.com/archives/2009/05/19-oh-man-white-muslims-again/comment-page-1/#comment-56152</link>
		<dc:creator>Bin Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 08:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Why is it so difficult to be a white American muslim without having the angst of having to belong to one ethnic label or another.&lt;/em&gt;

Oh it works fine in practice, it just doesn&#039;t work in theory :-D
What can I say, Americans have hangups about race, because of our very ugly national history.  I&#039;m quite at peace with it - no really - despite this epic blog post.  I&#039;m an American who practices Islam who has the advantage of fair skin.  That&#039;s pretty much the condensed version of where I&#039;m at.  I won&#039;t pretend it didn&#039;t take me a long time to arrive at that, particularly the American part.
  
I think lots of converts struggle because Islam as we understand it is such a radical critique of our society that they sometimes forget they are still in it and of it as much as they ever were.  Frankly speaking a fair amount of the pathology and dysfunction found in the convert community, and I&#039;m sorry to say there is a considerable amount, boils down to confusion over whether they have left their culture behind.  They have not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Why is it so difficult to be a white American muslim without having the angst of having to belong to one ethnic label or another.</em></p>
<p>Oh it works fine in practice, it just doesn&#8217;t work in theory <img src='http://www.bingregory.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
What can I say, Americans have hangups about race, because of our very ugly national history.  I&#8217;m quite at peace with it &#8211; no really &#8211; despite this epic blog post.  I&#8217;m an American who practices Islam who has the advantage of fair skin.  That&#8217;s pretty much the condensed version of where I&#8217;m at.  I won&#8217;t pretend it didn&#8217;t take me a long time to arrive at that, particularly the American part.</p>
<p>I think lots of converts struggle because Islam as we understand it is such a radical critique of our society that they sometimes forget they are still in it and of it as much as they ever were.  Frankly speaking a fair amount of the pathology and dysfunction found in the convert community, and I&#8217;m sorry to say there is a considerable amount, boils down to confusion over whether they have left their culture behind.  They have not.</p>
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		<title>By: Ida Bakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ida Bakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 08:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear binGregory,

&quot;Thus the white convert doesnâ€™t leave the White Race behind because there is no such thing. He is simply by his example broadening what is possible for an American to be.&quot;

Forgive my ignorance. Why is it so difficult to be a white American muslim without having the angst of having to belong to one ethnic label or another. Perhaps too, the issue here  is the angst about muslim plurality - for muslim and non-muslim alike.

A Nigerian muslim sister said that I (Malaysian, nicely bronze) cannot possibly be a muslim as I don&#039;t wear the hijab although it was I who invited her for iftar. My english colleagues thought that I cannot be a proper muslim (like my restrained Eqyptian collegues) as I was in full swing during a departmental Christmas party.

Back to white muslim Americans: I am optimistic about Americans accepting the plurality of whatever it is that makes &#039;white American&#039; - as long as being white muslim doesn&#039;t mean you are dressed like an &#039;ethnic muslim&#039;  with beard and kufi or, jilbab and refuse to shake the hands of a male colleague.

(Correct me if I&#039;m wrong. Forgive me if I have spoken out of turn)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear binGregory,</p>
<p>&#8220;Thus the white convert doesnâ€™t leave the White Race behind because there is no such thing. He is simply by his example broadening what is possible for an American to be.&#8221;</p>
<p>Forgive my ignorance. Why is it so difficult to be a white American muslim without having the angst of having to belong to one ethnic label or another. Perhaps too, the issue here  is the angst about muslim plurality &#8211; for muslim and non-muslim alike.</p>
<p>A Nigerian muslim sister said that I (Malaysian, nicely bronze) cannot possibly be a muslim as I don&#8217;t wear the hijab although it was I who invited her for iftar. My english colleagues thought that I cannot be a proper muslim (like my restrained Eqyptian collegues) as I was in full swing during a departmental Christmas party.</p>
<p>Back to white muslim Americans: I am optimistic about Americans accepting the plurality of whatever it is that makes &#8216;white American&#8217; &#8211; as long as being white muslim doesn&#8217;t mean you are dressed like an &#8216;ethnic muslim&#8217;  with beard and kufi or, jilbab and refuse to shake the hands of a male colleague.</p>
<p>(Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong. Forgive me if I have spoken out of turn)</p>
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		<title>By: Brooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 21:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But it sure wasnâ€™t that they didnâ€™t want to work with somebody who wasnâ€™t white because that girl was Korean.&quot;

See, that&#039;s the thing about bias, privilege, racism, etc. It&#039;s sneaky and pernicious. But really, you can&#039;t be sure, just as you canâ€™t be sure of anyoneâ€™s motives. Allhualim what was in their hearts and what was on their agenda.
That&#039;s why it is really important to look at your own behavior and rectify it. Check your own motives and find your own biases. Also, Iâ€™m sure (wink) that you could imagine another white male would say that he did not get that job because they needed  a poc on staff.
I think you should have thrown in the wifey comment, women eat that stuff up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But it sure wasnâ€™t that they didnâ€™t want to work with somebody who wasnâ€™t white because that girl was Korean.&#8221;</p>
<p>See, that&#8217;s the thing about bias, privilege, racism, etc. It&#8217;s sneaky and pernicious. But really, you can&#8217;t be sure, just as you canâ€™t be sure of anyoneâ€™s motives. Allhualim what was in their hearts and what was on their agenda.<br />
That&#8217;s why it is really important to look at your own behavior and rectify it. Check your own motives and find your own biases. Also, Iâ€™m sure (wink) that you could imagine another white male would say that he did not get that job because they needed  a poc on staff.<br />
I think you should have thrown in the wifey comment, women eat that stuff up.</p>
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